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Sticking keel
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For many years I have had problems dropping the keel on our shrimper. it used to be possible to get the keel down by letting the rope go with a rush - not keen on this as if it did work went with a thump. In fact about 6/7 years ago the keel was rehung by Cornish Crabbers as the keel case hole was getting very worn and thought that the sticking keel was because of poor alignment. A bit better but not perfect after the repair and this season could sometimes get the keel down on the mooring but once down if we pulled up (a lot of pull needed from 1/2 way back up to about 1/3 up and then normal) would not go back down especially if under sail. Seems to go about 1/3 down and then stick. No tension on the wire so must be the actual keel sticking and not a wire/rope drum problem.
She came out of the water this morning and even more puzzled. Alonsdide the quay could not lower the keel. As soon as up in the slings the keel dropped perfectly with no hint of any resistance coming up or down.
I think I have to get the keel out and examine/clean the slot but if anyone has any other ideas much appreciated. Last year we pressure washed the slot with the keel in place but cannot get at much as the keel blocks the slot.
Derek Brown Flete LADY 402
Derek,
At the Solent area end of season lunch there was a presentation on this very topic. On early boats, which would include yours, two tufnol pads were fitted either side of the centre plate and this can swell over the years and jamb the plate. If your boat has been back to Cornish Crabbers recently, these may have been removed but only they would be able to help you regarding this. One other area you could check is the permanent ballast to ensure it has not rusted and applying pressure to the centreboard casing.
It's not unusual for things like this to sick or un-stick when boats are lifted on slings, I would not let this influence your decision.
If you do remove the plate, please keep the forum informed as to what you find.
Best regards,
Graham
Derek,
I dropped my keel 2 years ago to have it shot blasted and regalvanised before replacing it with a new nut, bolt and washers. One of the 2 tufnol pads to which Graham has referred was missing, while the other one had expanded due to constant contact with sea water. I removed the remaining one and made 2 new ones from a teflon style of chopping board, screwing them into the existing threaded holes in the keel.
Since then the keel mechanism has worked well. I noted at the time that the more modern keels have holes bored in them with rope bound into these small holes to provide the packing needed to avoid the keel knocking the inner part of the fibre glass housing. I would not have replaced my keel without packing pieces as the constant knocking of the keel, when up, would drive me mad at anchor!
Good luck with problem resolution.
Roy Ratazzi
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Thanks Roy - very useful - can you quote approx thickness of your Teflon spacers and dimensions.
Thanks Graham for your very comprehensive reply - will discuss with the boatyard where i hope to get the problem sorted and also with Cornish crabbers - the earlier repair was actually 2005 and I will ask about the tufnol pads and whether the teflon which Roy mentioned seems a good idea
Derek
From memory, the size of each pad was about 4cm (long) x 3 cm (wide) x 2 to 3 mms thick. Frankly the thinner they are the better to avoid the keel sticking, but the self tapping screw head on each side of the keel needs to be slightly sunk to avoid it scraping the inner keel housing.
Regards,
Roy
Thanks Roy for this further info.
Will get some further advice from Cornish Shrimpers and order a new bolt and wire and then get my boatyard to have ago at the job early in the New Year.
Incidentally i was talking to a friend who is very experienced on boats generally and he said that the reason that the keel drops easily when she is in slings rather than the water is almost certainly due to the hull flexing slightly when she is afloat.
Derek
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